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dalemk90
I expose this trash science agenda for what it really is. Dogs are getting needlessly medicated and destroyed as a result of the type of weak and permissive psychology which aligns with those who exploit learning theory for the sake of an agenda. When you put guys like Dunbar on the spot regarding conditioning, influence, learning theory and behavior they can't answer them.
bluvillain
@Quivver77 Punishment on a traumatized or abused animal is counterproductive. Think about what you are saying: Hey dog, you were physically abused before and are now traumatized, so to, "cure" you of that, we're going to use more physical punishment. That doesn't even make a tiny bit of sense. Nobody would treat an abused and traumatized child by smacking it around when it makes a mistake. Why would you think that would work on any other animal?
Quivver77
I find it amusing how people trumpet research and science as being the basis for how dogs should be trained now...cause science says it's bad. Cause research says it's unhealthy.
Makes me wonder if some of you even know how skewed science and research tests are, or how a particular test can be designed to fit a particular hypothesis.
Funny how dogs have been domesticated, trained and handled for centuries but suddenly this new breed of trainers seems to think they have found the right way...
Quivver77
@bluvillain: Actually Police, military, protection and ring sports trainers use a variety of methods. Reward and positive training being one of them. There is still a case to be made for using aversive methods in difficult cases when you need to help the animal or have it destroyed. See...Dunbars methods are fine for normal cases, and for puppies which you might get to eat snacks and behave. But try it with animals that are traumatized or abused...
Spidersandguns
@Ghune You think he does it in two hours? Prime time TV is cut alot so you only get the 'action' it takes him longer than two hours.
Besides if your being aggressive towards me and I stand there for two hours with a rope around your neck and kick you every time you do something I don't like.
Pretty soon you'de behave for me aswel.
Doesn't mean i've trained you. Just bullied you into submission.
bluvillain
@Quivver77 Why would any educated animal behavior expert put themselves in a cage with two dogs that are both aggressive? The point of any good training is to set the animal up for success. Creating the canine version of ultimate fighting would be ridiculous. Police, military, protection, and ring sport trainers use the methods Dr. Dunbar is promoting. Your attitude makes it clear why you would have a dog that turned aggressive in the first place.
Quivver77
Someone put this pompous gasbag into a cage with two aggressive male rots and lets see if he can calm them down by feeding them treats or repeating, "Rover Sit...Sit...Sit".
All this academic, quasi intellectual hogwash is fine when you're in a lecture hall but it doesn't cut the mustard when you're actually dealing with difficult cases.
aspiringdogtrainer84
This video clip was HILARIOUS!! :) Thanks for posting it! :)
BlackMist301
You are amazing!
I can't stand it when people don't understand dog training
EX: A lady had a choke chain on her Doberman (I don't really like them but I prefer them over other training collars)
But here's the problem, the dog was doing a PERFECT heel and she continued to "snap" the collar so the dog would continue behaving. So she was punishing the dog for behaving well. Really makes you think.
Toppertje06
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